Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:33 pm by globalturbo
I have been holding back with passing comment on these events below.
Needless to say my own personal wish was for the Labour party to show some spine and ensure a lost vote for Cameron followed by a vote of no confidence in Cameron and his personal embarrassing removal from office.
Corbyn made an error, he allowed Blairites a free vote, they did what they do best, injected venom into an extremely serious subject followed by a barely concealed speech challenging Corbyns position. Those who voted with the idiots of HM Gov’t were virtually all acolytes of blair.
The mood of the country is somewhat different to when blair lied in 2003, the old saying once bitten twice shy has come in effect. Blair ignored the wishes of a nation and played a part in destroying Iraq and Cameron who refers to himself as the “heir to blair” is copying the same tactics almost to the letter.
What sort of an idiot would want to emulate blairs time in office?
To emphasise that aspect of this idiot Cameron it is revealed the “dodgy dossier” of this jolly old Etonian lark is another lie given to Parliament as an excuse for war, namely the 70,000 ground troops mentioned by Cameron already in place, and screaming for the Imperial battle fleet to aid liberation do not exist. This has been challenged by the MOD and indeed a senior member of camerons own party who said “this bit was left out of the speech to Parliament”
To say these knuckle scraping morons represents not only myself and my country is as embarrassing as it is dangerous (Americans, think President Dan Quale for a moment)
We are seeing a massive Karmic tidal wave being assembled for these people, they have no conception of what they are doing, where they are going with it, and they seem to believe that Putin who is mobilised, has rather large reserves of military personal, ships, planes, and aircraft will take any notice of the less than token force now bombing Syria. These people have illusions of competence and adequacy.
The RAF as any service people of other nations will testify are well regarded as friends and opponents, Cameron is just the latest idiot to reduce their numbers down to ridiculous levels AND expect them to compete with Russia as if the days of Empire were as strong as ever. What are they to do if shot down? Make their away across the Indian border and into Shimla to the Imperial Governors Indian summer residence?
The moment the RAF take hits things will change, In 1991 two aircrew were paraded on television having bailed out and getting a serious beating in custody. This time there will be no bruising and bleeding for the camera, this time as proved by the Turks with the Russian pilot there will be no convention as prisoners will just be simply executed. Should videos of RAF personal appear bound and kneeling at the feet of the throat slitters then this country may likely explode with a violence these fools believe will never reach them.
Below are just a few articles to be found online
British permanent political class backs Cameron, and drags the UK into another endless war
by Kerry-anne Mendoza
THE CANARY EDITORIAL ON THE ‘YES’ VOTE FOR AIRSTRIKES AGAINST SYRIA
Despite the fact that the prime minister’s plans for airstrikes on Syria claim the support of fewer than half of Britons, and almost zero support in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland – England’s permanent political class is once again dragging the UK into yet another military misadventure in the Middle East.
The March To War In Syria
Despite a concerted rebellion from Tory MPs which could have been galvanised to prevent the attacks, the support of Blairite Labour MPs, the Liberal Democrats and the DUP has allowed Cameron to march the UK into war. Cheers reverberated around the Commons as Cameron’s motion won decisively – 397 to 223.
The motion put forward by Conservative MP John Baron against military action was soundly defeated by 390 votes to 211.
We saw, during the Syria debate, a clearly gleeful return of the Blairites. Margaret Beckett, Yvette Cooper, Alan Johnson – all the same people who took us to war when in government in 2003, taking us to war again while in opposition (even to their own party) in 2015. One after the other, with evident relish, they stood to make the same self-satisfied and disingenuous arguments put forth in follies past. We cannot sugar coat it. It was a truly shameful day for the Labour Party. By far the most powerful and cutting speech came from Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn, who delivered a sweeping and persuasive bugle call for war – gaining minutes of cheering and applause from the Labour and Conservative benches. It looked very much like a leadership bid to the Blairite wing of the party.
Following the Tories and the Labour rebels into the fray, were the remaining dregs of the Liberal Democrat party. Tim Farron, like the Blairites, has clearly not learned the lessons of his party’s destruction.
The case for airstrikes is an absurdity. It boils down to a face-saving measure for Britain to ‘be seen’ to be standing with its allies, even in error. Furthermore, there is no claim that the airstrikes will provide any real deterrent or degrade the capability of ISIS (Daesh). Don’t take the left’s view on that, the conservative-led Foreign Affairs Select Committee rejected the plans for the same reason.
The key opposing speeches came from across the SNP, Green, Labour and Tory benches. But perhaps the three most effective arguments came from SNP MP Angus Robertson, Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn, and senior Conservative MP David Davis.
Jeremy Corbyn called on the conscience of the house, with a quiet dignity, given the excruciating attacks he was about to face from belligerent Blairites.
Angus Robertson called on first the Prime Minister, then the Foreign Secretary, and then the entire Conservative Party to tell him how many of the 70,000 Syrian fighters the government are expecting to act as our ‘boots on the ground’ are moderates or fundamentalists. The Foreign Select Committee have of course confirmed that these fighters are nearly all extremists, and often busy fighting each other. The coalition were unable to hold Iraq together with hundreds of thousands of their own troops – yet today, the plan in Syria is that mere tens of thousands of infighting militia men will topple Daesh, Assad, and establish a democracy.
Davis piled in later with a devastating assault, delivered in matter of fact tones. Perhaps the most staggering point he made was about the efficacy of airstrikes. In the current campaign of airstrikes, the US has run 10,000 sorties, taking out 15,000 targets – under the stated mission of degrading Daesh. Yet, during these campaigns, membership of Daesh has nearly doubled – rising from 15,000 to 30,000. As Davis put it, a sick irony of recruiting a new fighter for every target struck.
In short, the most likely outcome of Britain’s planned intervention in Syria, will be to kick start yet another phase of civil war. This would just as likely strengthen ISIS (Daesh), as weaken them – killing yet more civilians in the process.
Despite this call to common sense, David Cameron and Britains permanent political class is marching us into another reckless military intervention in the Middle East.
England’s Permanent Political Class
It is becoming ever more clear that the Blairite faction of the Labour Party in Westminster has become a part of a permanent political class alongside their Tory and Liberal Democrat counterparts. They have become used to taking advantage of disengagement and voter apathy to enjoy a fairly stable job, and just a few seats lost and won either way each election and no big surprises; the chance to earn a great wage and pass policies which guarantee lucrative consultancy/director roles after politics. All this has been done with the passive acceptance of a disaffected electorate, nearly half of whom don’t even bother to vote anymore. To this permanent political class, a popular movement based on social democratic values is about as welcome as a fart in an elevator.
But then the Scotland rose from the failed Independence vote, and delivered the anti-austerity, pro-Independence SNP landslide. Shortly after, England joined in by delivering socialist Jeremy Corbyn a greater landslide in the Labour leadership contest in 2015, than Blair did in 1994. The ‘unelectable’ Corbyn galvanised a thumping majority against a hostile media, commentariat and even parliamentary party.
The permanent political class was wounded, but it did not die. Instead, they declared all-out war on the opposition.
The War On Independent Thought
First, the mainstream media south of the border has virtually ceased reporting on the activities of the SNP – despite the party holding 56 seats in Westminster and providing a relentless counterpoint to austerity politics. Plaid Cymru and the voice of Wales on key issues is also practically non-existent, and ditto Northern Ireland.
Secondly, the unrelenting assault on Corbyn from print, TV and radio journalists – and almost the entire political class – is virtually unprecedented in our history. This has gone far beyond the legitimate role of the media to bring probity to politics. This is nothing short of propaganda. From the BBC to Sky News, the Daily Mail to The Guardian – there has been almost blanket scaremongering and character assassination. So much so, that making a balanced appraisal of Corbyn’s policies or challenges has become almost impossible. Even in the independent media, we have to spend so much time debunking fallacious attacks on the Labour leader, we barely have time to allocate to interrogating elements of his performance with which me way find issue.
In the run up to the Syria vote, we even had headlines from The Telegraph and The Metro, blaming Corbyn for failing to stop the war they are backing. His crime? Failing to whip his MPs. We at The Canary understand the conflict Corbyn experienced here. He is passionately against war, but also passionately for democracy. In this light, we feel it was right for the Labour leader to hold a free vote on the airstrikes, as a matter of principle. But this does place a huge responsibility on Corbyn and his allies to win the debate within the party. Come 2020, the public need to know that if they vote Labour, they will get Labour – not the discredited, vanilla conservativism of the Blairite faction.
And finally, we even saw the Prime Minister brand any MP planning to vote no to the airstrikes as ‘terrorist sympathisers’ – the night before the vote.
In summary – the war on the opposition is to ignore, attack and slander.
In the wake of this vote, there is a truly bitter pill to be swallowed by Scotland – as one Twitter user noted grimly:
Indeed, the jets are were already being prepared to launch prior to the vote, from RAF Lossiemouth.
The permanent political class of Britain is delivering economic, social and foreign policy in its own interest, not the public interest. What this vote has proven, is that it is in the interest of the entire British opposition to neoliberal politics to unite in the pursuit of a nation (or four) which better reflects our values.
Featured Image via Flickr Creative Commons
Source: http://www.thecanary.co/2015/12/02/the-permanent-political-class-of-westminster-strikes-again-dragging-the-uk-into-another-endless-war/
Cameron – ‘shoot down the RAF’
He only has to listen to his own words. The RAF are now increasing the threat of terrorism. The planes need shooting down, as our MPs are so dumb as to send them to do yet more damage. Either that or they need to bomb 10 Downing Street. Cameron needs teaching a lesson. His own lesson. The Tornadoes are well out of date. Russia’s newest planes will send them reeling. General Petraeus advised Obama not to send American forces to Syria for that reason, as the US has nothing advanced enough to face Russian weaponry. Cameron doesn’t listen to advice, even his own. Humanity needs rid of him and all those who emulate and follow him.
As Ian Crane says, they’re not the elite, they’re the parasites, the fleas. They need us to suck our blood. We don’t need them.
Labour's grandees have f***ed their party for a generation
The 66 Labour MPs who voted in support of Cameron's lets bomb Syria motion have f***ed their party for a generation. The SNP all but wiped them out Labour in Scotland by labeling them, the “Red Tories”. Now their grandees have confirmed that label as correct. In contrast the SNP spokesman Stuart Hosie presented a reasoned critique of Cmaeron's silly motion and gave a clear plan of how to hurt ISIL without risking civilian casualties and what to do afterwards. It sounded like sound common sense to me. Click below to listen to his Marr interview last Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYqnqUB2W3c
Sure Hilary Benn made a fine speech. I listened to his father make many fine speeches but they had no effect outside the Westminster bubble. It was one of the emperor Augustus's favourite sayings, “Fine words butter no parsnips”. Labour need a new set of grandees who live and work in the real world of ordinary people. Beckett, Mrs Balls Chukka etc just don't cut it with us plebs. They all live a cosseted comfortable life at our expense.
One of the many things our political elite did not mention is, what happens when a RAF plane and its crew ends up in ISIL hands? I hope it does not happen but if we are there for any length of time its an odds on certainty. A similar situation finished Jimmy Carter as US president. I guess Obama may be lucky enough to leave before the sh1t hits the fan but Cameron is there for the next 4 years so his chances of escape do not look good. Teflon Tony he is not.
Needless to say my own personal wish was for the Labour party to show some spine and ensure a lost vote for Cameron followed by a vote of no confidence in Cameron and his personal embarrassing removal from office.
Corbyn made an error, he allowed Blairites a free vote, they did what they do best, injected venom into an extremely serious subject followed by a barely concealed speech challenging Corbyns position. Those who voted with the idiots of HM Gov’t were virtually all acolytes of blair.
The mood of the country is somewhat different to when blair lied in 2003, the old saying once bitten twice shy has come in effect. Blair ignored the wishes of a nation and played a part in destroying Iraq and Cameron who refers to himself as the “heir to blair” is copying the same tactics almost to the letter.
What sort of an idiot would want to emulate blairs time in office?
To emphasise that aspect of this idiot Cameron it is revealed the “dodgy dossier” of this jolly old Etonian lark is another lie given to Parliament as an excuse for war, namely the 70,000 ground troops mentioned by Cameron already in place, and screaming for the Imperial battle fleet to aid liberation do not exist. This has been challenged by the MOD and indeed a senior member of camerons own party who said “this bit was left out of the speech to Parliament”
To say these knuckle scraping morons represents not only myself and my country is as embarrassing as it is dangerous (Americans, think President Dan Quale for a moment)
We are seeing a massive Karmic tidal wave being assembled for these people, they have no conception of what they are doing, where they are going with it, and they seem to believe that Putin who is mobilised, has rather large reserves of military personal, ships, planes, and aircraft will take any notice of the less than token force now bombing Syria. These people have illusions of competence and adequacy.
The RAF as any service people of other nations will testify are well regarded as friends and opponents, Cameron is just the latest idiot to reduce their numbers down to ridiculous levels AND expect them to compete with Russia as if the days of Empire were as strong as ever. What are they to do if shot down? Make their away across the Indian border and into Shimla to the Imperial Governors Indian summer residence?
The moment the RAF take hits things will change, In 1991 two aircrew were paraded on television having bailed out and getting a serious beating in custody. This time there will be no bruising and bleeding for the camera, this time as proved by the Turks with the Russian pilot there will be no convention as prisoners will just be simply executed. Should videos of RAF personal appear bound and kneeling at the feet of the throat slitters then this country may likely explode with a violence these fools believe will never reach them.
Below are just a few articles to be found online
British permanent political class backs Cameron, and drags the UK into another endless war
by Kerry-anne Mendoza
THE CANARY EDITORIAL ON THE ‘YES’ VOTE FOR AIRSTRIKES AGAINST SYRIA
Despite the fact that the prime minister’s plans for airstrikes on Syria claim the support of fewer than half of Britons, and almost zero support in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland – England’s permanent political class is once again dragging the UK into yet another military misadventure in the Middle East.
The March To War In Syria
Despite a concerted rebellion from Tory MPs which could have been galvanised to prevent the attacks, the support of Blairite Labour MPs, the Liberal Democrats and the DUP has allowed Cameron to march the UK into war. Cheers reverberated around the Commons as Cameron’s motion won decisively – 397 to 223.
The motion put forward by Conservative MP John Baron against military action was soundly defeated by 390 votes to 211.
We saw, during the Syria debate, a clearly gleeful return of the Blairites. Margaret Beckett, Yvette Cooper, Alan Johnson – all the same people who took us to war when in government in 2003, taking us to war again while in opposition (even to their own party) in 2015. One after the other, with evident relish, they stood to make the same self-satisfied and disingenuous arguments put forth in follies past. We cannot sugar coat it. It was a truly shameful day for the Labour Party. By far the most powerful and cutting speech came from Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn, who delivered a sweeping and persuasive bugle call for war – gaining minutes of cheering and applause from the Labour and Conservative benches. It looked very much like a leadership bid to the Blairite wing of the party.
Following the Tories and the Labour rebels into the fray, were the remaining dregs of the Liberal Democrat party. Tim Farron, like the Blairites, has clearly not learned the lessons of his party’s destruction.
The case for airstrikes is an absurdity. It boils down to a face-saving measure for Britain to ‘be seen’ to be standing with its allies, even in error. Furthermore, there is no claim that the airstrikes will provide any real deterrent or degrade the capability of ISIS (Daesh). Don’t take the left’s view on that, the conservative-led Foreign Affairs Select Committee rejected the plans for the same reason.
The key opposing speeches came from across the SNP, Green, Labour and Tory benches. But perhaps the three most effective arguments came from SNP MP Angus Robertson, Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn, and senior Conservative MP David Davis.
Jeremy Corbyn called on the conscience of the house, with a quiet dignity, given the excruciating attacks he was about to face from belligerent Blairites.
Angus Robertson called on first the Prime Minister, then the Foreign Secretary, and then the entire Conservative Party to tell him how many of the 70,000 Syrian fighters the government are expecting to act as our ‘boots on the ground’ are moderates or fundamentalists. The Foreign Select Committee have of course confirmed that these fighters are nearly all extremists, and often busy fighting each other. The coalition were unable to hold Iraq together with hundreds of thousands of their own troops – yet today, the plan in Syria is that mere tens of thousands of infighting militia men will topple Daesh, Assad, and establish a democracy.
Davis piled in later with a devastating assault, delivered in matter of fact tones. Perhaps the most staggering point he made was about the efficacy of airstrikes. In the current campaign of airstrikes, the US has run 10,000 sorties, taking out 15,000 targets – under the stated mission of degrading Daesh. Yet, during these campaigns, membership of Daesh has nearly doubled – rising from 15,000 to 30,000. As Davis put it, a sick irony of recruiting a new fighter for every target struck.
In short, the most likely outcome of Britain’s planned intervention in Syria, will be to kick start yet another phase of civil war. This would just as likely strengthen ISIS (Daesh), as weaken them – killing yet more civilians in the process.
Despite this call to common sense, David Cameron and Britains permanent political class is marching us into another reckless military intervention in the Middle East.
England’s Permanent Political Class
It is becoming ever more clear that the Blairite faction of the Labour Party in Westminster has become a part of a permanent political class alongside their Tory and Liberal Democrat counterparts. They have become used to taking advantage of disengagement and voter apathy to enjoy a fairly stable job, and just a few seats lost and won either way each election and no big surprises; the chance to earn a great wage and pass policies which guarantee lucrative consultancy/director roles after politics. All this has been done with the passive acceptance of a disaffected electorate, nearly half of whom don’t even bother to vote anymore. To this permanent political class, a popular movement based on social democratic values is about as welcome as a fart in an elevator.
But then the Scotland rose from the failed Independence vote, and delivered the anti-austerity, pro-Independence SNP landslide. Shortly after, England joined in by delivering socialist Jeremy Corbyn a greater landslide in the Labour leadership contest in 2015, than Blair did in 1994. The ‘unelectable’ Corbyn galvanised a thumping majority against a hostile media, commentariat and even parliamentary party.
The permanent political class was wounded, but it did not die. Instead, they declared all-out war on the opposition.
The War On Independent Thought
First, the mainstream media south of the border has virtually ceased reporting on the activities of the SNP – despite the party holding 56 seats in Westminster and providing a relentless counterpoint to austerity politics. Plaid Cymru and the voice of Wales on key issues is also practically non-existent, and ditto Northern Ireland.
Secondly, the unrelenting assault on Corbyn from print, TV and radio journalists – and almost the entire political class – is virtually unprecedented in our history. This has gone far beyond the legitimate role of the media to bring probity to politics. This is nothing short of propaganda. From the BBC to Sky News, the Daily Mail to The Guardian – there has been almost blanket scaremongering and character assassination. So much so, that making a balanced appraisal of Corbyn’s policies or challenges has become almost impossible. Even in the independent media, we have to spend so much time debunking fallacious attacks on the Labour leader, we barely have time to allocate to interrogating elements of his performance with which me way find issue.
In the run up to the Syria vote, we even had headlines from The Telegraph and The Metro, blaming Corbyn for failing to stop the war they are backing. His crime? Failing to whip his MPs. We at The Canary understand the conflict Corbyn experienced here. He is passionately against war, but also passionately for democracy. In this light, we feel it was right for the Labour leader to hold a free vote on the airstrikes, as a matter of principle. But this does place a huge responsibility on Corbyn and his allies to win the debate within the party. Come 2020, the public need to know that if they vote Labour, they will get Labour – not the discredited, vanilla conservativism of the Blairite faction.
And finally, we even saw the Prime Minister brand any MP planning to vote no to the airstrikes as ‘terrorist sympathisers’ – the night before the vote.
In summary – the war on the opposition is to ignore, attack and slander.
In the wake of this vote, there is a truly bitter pill to be swallowed by Scotland – as one Twitter user noted grimly:
Indeed, the jets are were already being prepared to launch prior to the vote, from RAF Lossiemouth.
The permanent political class of Britain is delivering economic, social and foreign policy in its own interest, not the public interest. What this vote has proven, is that it is in the interest of the entire British opposition to neoliberal politics to unite in the pursuit of a nation (or four) which better reflects our values.
Featured Image via Flickr Creative Commons
Source: http://www.thecanary.co/2015/12/02/the-permanent-political-class-of-westminster-strikes-again-dragging-the-uk-into-another-endless-war/
Cameron – ‘shoot down the RAF’
He only has to listen to his own words. The RAF are now increasing the threat of terrorism. The planes need shooting down, as our MPs are so dumb as to send them to do yet more damage. Either that or they need to bomb 10 Downing Street. Cameron needs teaching a lesson. His own lesson. The Tornadoes are well out of date. Russia’s newest planes will send them reeling. General Petraeus advised Obama not to send American forces to Syria for that reason, as the US has nothing advanced enough to face Russian weaponry. Cameron doesn’t listen to advice, even his own. Humanity needs rid of him and all those who emulate and follow him.
As Ian Crane says, they’re not the elite, they’re the parasites, the fleas. They need us to suck our blood. We don’t need them.
Labour's grandees have f***ed their party for a generation
The 66 Labour MPs who voted in support of Cameron's lets bomb Syria motion have f***ed their party for a generation. The SNP all but wiped them out Labour in Scotland by labeling them, the “Red Tories”. Now their grandees have confirmed that label as correct. In contrast the SNP spokesman Stuart Hosie presented a reasoned critique of Cmaeron's silly motion and gave a clear plan of how to hurt ISIL without risking civilian casualties and what to do afterwards. It sounded like sound common sense to me. Click below to listen to his Marr interview last Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYqnqUB2W3c
Sure Hilary Benn made a fine speech. I listened to his father make many fine speeches but they had no effect outside the Westminster bubble. It was one of the emperor Augustus's favourite sayings, “Fine words butter no parsnips”. Labour need a new set of grandees who live and work in the real world of ordinary people. Beckett, Mrs Balls Chukka etc just don't cut it with us plebs. They all live a cosseted comfortable life at our expense.
One of the many things our political elite did not mention is, what happens when a RAF plane and its crew ends up in ISIL hands? I hope it does not happen but if we are there for any length of time its an odds on certainty. A similar situation finished Jimmy Carter as US president. I guess Obama may be lucky enough to leave before the sh1t hits the fan but Cameron is there for the next 4 years so his chances of escape do not look good. Teflon Tony he is not.
