Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:33 pm by globalturbo
HIDDEN HISTORY: The Dark Secret of the Vatican Pagan Gods
The Smoking Man
Source – stolenhistory.org
– “…So, when did Vatican and Rome become Christian? Well, the last time Gargoyles and Chimeras were added to the Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral was around 1844. The fact that the cathedral is located in France is irrelevant. It still falls under the rule if the Vatican. At the same time the correct answer for the above question would probably be – never. It’s only Christian for us, normal slave-type regular folk. For those “in the know” the Vatican has always been pagan, whatever that means”
The Dark Secret of the Vatican Pagan Gods – By Korben Dallas
I will briefly summarize what’s to follow in this thread which is created in support of my hypothesis that the Ancient Rome is one and the same with the Holy Roman Empire. It appears that Vatican and Rome became visibly Christian only around the middle of the 19th century. The same, most likely, applies for the remainder of European territories. In other words Jesus existed in Europe along the likes of Zeus, Apollo and many other Gods until approximately 1850s. It was normal and it looks like we have multiple facts to back it up. Why our society chooses to ignore these facts is beyond me.
The Scream of Gargoyles
The world famous Notre-Dame de Paris gargoyles, and chimeras were the objects which made me question the Christian nature of the Gothic Cathedrals. While the Notre-Dame de Paris is obviously in France, the same applies to the Italian Gothic Cathedrals as well. As a matter of fact, it probably pertains to all the Gothic Cathedrals out there, for most of them have gargoyles and chimeras present.
The main questions to ask here would be:
Why do we have gargoyles and chimeras mounted on the allegedly Christian structures?
What do these symbols of the ancient pagan religions have to do with Christianity?
How come Vatican gave their consent to have them displayed?
Here is what the narrative tells us about all those gargoyles and chimeras mounted on the Gothic Cathedrals:
The gargoyles’ main purpose is very practical. As rain water runs down the roofs, it needs to drain off without dripping down the walls and potentially damaging them. By evacuating rain water, the gargoyles protect the cathedral and protect the stone from damage caused by excessive runoff. That is in fact the main difference between gargoyles and chimeras. The former serve to drain rainwater, the latter are purely decorative.
KD: I do not know about you, but it sounds like a BS justification for having symbols of other religions present on the allegedly Christian places of warship. Gargoyles and chimeras do not belong to Christianity, look creepy, and do not really project any feelings of love, peace and friendship.
Gothic Cathedrals
Originating in 12th-century France, it (Gothic Architecture) was widely used, especially for cathedrals and churches, until the 16th century. What is the official explanation for naming this style of architecture “Gothic”? Well, here is what we are being told:
The term “Gothic architecture” originated in the 16th century and was originally very negative, suggesting something barbaric. Giorgio Vasari used the term “barbarous German style” in his 1550 Lives of the Artists to describe what is now considered the Gothic style, and in the introduction to the Lives he attributed various architectural features to “the Goths” whom he held responsible for destroying the ancient buildings after they conquered Rome, and erecting new ones in this style.
Let’s see. The Goth Germanic people that invaded the Roman Empire from the east between the 3rd and 5th centuries. once you get through all the gibberish in the Wiki article, it becomes apparent that after 711 AD the Goth presented no historical significance. Yet, the narrative has to cover the inconsistencies produced by the made up history. Hence we have the following line:
In the late 18th century, Gothic tribes who remained in the lands around the Black Sea, especially in Crimea – then known as Crimean Goths – were still mentioned as existing in the region and speaking a Crimean Gothic dialect, making them the last true Goths. The language is believed to have been spoken until as late as 1945. They are believed to have been assimilated by the Crimean Tatars.
Crimean Goths were the least-powerful, least-known, and the longest-lasting of the Gothic communities.
KD: According to the traditional historical narrative, the Goths were border line non existent after 711 AD. All the damages they allegedly inflicted to Rome were done between the 3rd and 5th centuries AD. Yet, we are expected to believe that some 16th century brainiacs were so pissed off at some 1,000 year old events, that they started to call this style of architecture “Gothic”.
Simultaneously, there had to some “least-known” Gothic tribes which survived all the way into the late 18th century, with a Gothic dialect spoken until 1945.
If this explanation (why the style is Gothic) is not fishy, I do not know what is. Sounds like we know nothing about who the Goths really were, and why these style of architecture was called “Gothic”. Even less do we know what any of these cathedrals have to do with Christianity.
Ancient Roman Religion
Religion in Ancient Rome includes the ancestral ethnic religion of the city of Rome that the Romans used to define themselves as a people, as well as the religious practices of peoples brought under Roman rule, in so far as they became widely followed in Rome and Italy. The Romans thought of themselves as highly religious, and attributed their success as a world power to their collective piety in maintaining good relations with the gods. The Romans are known for the great number of deities they honored, a capacity that earned the mockery of early Christian polemicists.
Roman Religion
I do not want to get into too many details on the religions present in Ancient Rome. I think the narrative provided a rather satisfactory story line on this one. The most important thing to understand here is summed up in the following sentences:
The Roman had their traditional ceremonies and they worshiped Roman gods as well as gods from other provinces and city states.
Romans worshiped gods from Babylon, Persia, Europe and Egypt. Those stationed in remote provinces often worshiped local gods.
KD: In other words, there were multiple religions present in the Ancient Rome. The last year attributed to the Ancient Rome in Europe is 476 AD. What are the odds of the same multitude of various faiths to exist in the “Renaissance” driven Holy Roman Empire of 15th – 19th centuries. Well, may be a bit more than we thought.
Roman Inquisition
The Roman Inquisition, was a system of tribunals developed by the Holy See of the Roman Catholic Church, during the second half of the 16th century, responsible for prosecuting individuals accused of a wide array of crimes relating to religious doctrine or alternate religious doctrine or alternate religious beliefs. In the period after the Medieval Inquisition, it was one of three different manifestations of the wider Catholic Inquisition along with the Spanish Inquisition and Portuguese Inquisition.
Like other iterations of the Inquisition, the Roman Inquisition was responsible for prosecuting individuals accused of committing offenses relating to heresy, including Protestantism, sorcery, immorality, blasphemy, Judaizing and witchcraft, as well as for censorship of printed literature. After 1567, with the execution of Pietro Carnesecchi, an allegedly leading heretic, the Holy Office moved to broaden concerns beyond that of theological matters, such as love magic, witchcraft, superstitions, and cultural morality. However, the treatment was more disciplinary than punitive. The tribunals of the Roman Inquisition covered most of the Italian peninsula as well as Malta and also existed in isolated pockets of papal jurisdiction in other parts of Europe, including Avignon, a papal enclave within the territory of France. The Roman Inquisition, though, was considerably more bureaucratic and focused on pre-emptive control in addition to the reactive judicial prosecution experienced under other iterations.
KD: Basically we all think that we know what the purpose of inquisitions was. If you deviate from the accepted church doctrine – you are toast. Even altered versions of Christianity were allegedly prosecuted by the Church. We are talking about monotheistic Christianity here. What do you think was supposed to happen to those who supported polytheistic religions in the 16th century?
Ivan the Terrible and Antonio Possevino
We all know who Ivan the Terrible was. He was born in 1530 and died in 1584. What religion was the only possible religion in Vatican during the years attributed to Ivan the Terrible? You are totally justified in thinking that it was Christianity, but was it really so? To answer this question we will have to get familiarized with a certain Jesuit named Antonio Possevino.
Antonio Possevino (1533 – 1611) was a Jesuit protagonist of Counter Reformation as a papal diplomat and a Jesuit controversialist, encyclopedist and bibliographer. He acted as papal legate and the first Jesuit to visit Moscow, vicar general of Sweden, Denmark and northern islands, Muscovy, Livonia, Rus, Hungary, Pomerania, Saxony between 1578 and 1586.
Antonio Possevino, a Jesuit monk, theologian, scholar, and papal envoy, arrived at Moscow on February 14, 1582. At that time the Russian Tsar Ivan IV sought the pope’s mediation in the cause of peace with Stephen Báthori, the King of Poland. Possevino was sent by the Pope Gregory XIII as his legate. With the permission of Ivan IV he conducted a public dispute about the matters the faith, trying to convert Ivan IV to Roman Catholicism. The Tsar was so infuriated that he almost killed Possevino. He left Moscow laden with honors but not deceived as to the success of his efforts. Possevino wrote several very interesting treatises on Russia, including “Moscovia”, rich of factual material and astute observations, and the less known Missio Moscovitica.
We have this interesting discussion between Ivan the Terrible and Antonio Possevino, which allegedly took place in 1582 AD. The prince is Ivan the Terrible.
To which Antonio Possevino replied with the following:
The above is the translation (p. 69-70) of the below excerpt from Vita Del P. Antonio Possevino Della Compagnia Di Gesu (p. 256). I used image translating services to verify the translation from Italian. I think Ivan the Terrible mentioned sixty faiths in the original. I also understood that translating images is not my piece of pie. So if @Jim Duyer or whoever else is versed in languages, could assist with the translation of the below passage from Italian, we all would be grateful. I would like to know what the reply of Antonio as per the original below.
Source
KD: In 1582, Ivan the Terrible stated that Rome had sixty religions. Antonio Possevino replied that it was not the case. Well, let us see who we should believe.
Papal Tombs
What could be a better way to determine whether polytheistic religions were present in the 15th-18th century Rome other than the remaining physical evidence. And what could be a better reflection of the life paths of the Popes other than their Burial Tombs. Luckily we have this valuable List of Extant Papal Tombs we can examine. The list raises a lot of additional questions but for the purposes of this thread, let us concentrate on the appearance existing Papal Tombs.
Pope Gregory XIII
Somehow we have Minerva aka Athena incorporated into this Gregory XIII’s Tomb. Why would a Christian leader who died in 1585 have this Roman Goddess on his Tomb. We are talking about a pagan Goddess of War on the tombstone of the Pope here. I think the one on the left is Clio the Muse, but I’m not sure.
Pope Leo XI
The guy died in 1605. How come the Pope of Rome has Roman Goddesses Minerva and Fortune. Do they really think that we are not gonna question Fortunes horn of plenty? And why did they break Minerva’s spear? Where is the second half, or was it meant to make the ridiculousness less obvious? What does any of this have to do with the Pope of Rome and Christianity?
You can play this game on your own. All this pagan symbology at the heart of the Roman Catholic Church (aka Vatican) with Roman Inquisition running rampant makes how much sense? Zero?
Pope Julius III: Coat of Arms
Pope Julius III (1487 – 1555), born Giovanni Maria Ciocchi del Monte, was head of the Catholic Church and ruler of the Papal States from 1550 to his death in 1555. Allegedly this perverted depiction of the Christian Pope’s coat of arms was influenced by Michelangelo himself. How did the Roman Inquisition allowed two naked dudes with packages hanging out to hold Saint Peter’s Keys of Heaven?
And what about the below pearl?
The Triton Fountain
The Triton Fountain is a seventeenth-century fountain in Rome, by the Baroque sculptor Gian Lorenzo Bernini. Commissioned by his patron, Pope Urban VIII, the fountain is located in the Piazza Barberini, near the entrance to the Palazzo Barberini that Bernini helped to design and construct for the Barberini, Urban’s family.
The fountain was executed in travertine in 1642–43. At its centre rises a larger than lifesize muscular Triton, a minor sea god of ancient Greco-Roman legend, depicted as a merman kneeling on the sum of four dolphin tailfins. His head is thrown back and his arms raise a conch to his lips; from it a jet of water spurts, formerly rising dramatically higher than it does today. The fountain has a base of four dolphins that entwine the papal tiara with crossed keys and the heraldic Barberini bees in their scaly tails.
Triton is a Greek god, the messenger of the sea. He is the son of Poseidon and Amphitrite, god and goddess of the sea respectively, and is herald for his father. He is usually represented as a merman which has the upper body of a human and the tail, soft dorsal fin, spiny dorsal fin, anal fin, pelvic fins and caudal fin of a fish, “sea-hued”, according to Ovid “his shoulders barnacled with sea-shells”.
KD: So, what do we have happening here? On one hand inquisition was allegedly fighting heresy, on the other hand Vatican was promoting the religion of the Ancient Romans and Greeks? The same religion which supposedly died off over a thousand years ago?
Renaissance Art
Renaissance art is the painting, sculpture and decorative arts of the period of European history, emerging as a distinct style in Italy in about 1400, in parallel with developments which occurred in philosophy, literature, music, and science. Renaissance art, perceived as the noblest of ancient traditions, took as its foundation the art of Classical antiquity, but transformed that tradition by absorbing recent developments in the art of Northern Europe and by applying contemporary scientific knowledge. Renaissance art, with Renaissance Humanist philosophy, spread throughout Europe, affecting both artists and their patrons with the development of new techniques and new artistic sensibilities. Renaissance art marks the transition of Europe from the medieval period to the Early Modern age.
The images on the pertaining Wikipedia page are so supportive of the narrative. What about the other type of images?
Hercules and the Centaur Nessus (1599)
Perseus With the Head of Medusa (1545-1554)
Cosimo I de’ Medici
Right, what can be better than depicting one of the most powerful Christian men of the time with the winged head of Medusa on his chest, and wearing Ancient Roman attire 1,000 years after its fall? I guess the Roman Inquisition did not mind little acts of heresy like this.
Etruria
What else do we call Tuscany? Right, we call it Etruria. And never mind that Etruria was non-existent since about 509 BC, for:
The Grand Duchy of Tuscany (which existed 1569–1801 and 1814–1859) styled itself in Latin as Magnus Ducatus Etruriae (Grand Duchy of Etruria). The name Etruria was also applied to the Kingdom of Etruria, an ephemeral client state of Napoleon I of France which replaced the Grand Duchy between 1801 and 1807.
Isn’t it amazing that 2,000 years after the fall of Etruria they simply brought back the name? Let’s call ourselves Etruscans from now on they said. Well, may be they did not say that, but the narrative compilers sure did.
One way, or the other, but those Medici were serious about their Etruria.
Heck, the Etruscan Language somehow made it onto the Europa Polyglotta map of 1730. Of course, we are told that some of those languages are ancient.
This is the Europa Polyglotta, published in 1730 by Gottfried Hensel (or Henselius, after the contemporary fasion of latinising surnames). Its full title, translated from Latin: ‘Multilingual Europe, showing the genealogy of the languages, together with the alphabets and modes of writing of all peoples’.
Mapping Europe’s Linguistic Diversity via the Lord’s Prayer
The Pantheon
They tell us: The Pantheon (from Greek Πάνθειον Pantheion, “[temple] of all the gods”) is a former Roman temple, now a church, in Rome, Italy, on the site of an earlier temple commissioned by Marcus Agrippa during the reign of Augustus (27 BC – 14 AD). It was completed by the emperor Hadrian and probably dedicated about 126 AD. Its date of construction is uncertain, because Hadrian chose not to inscribe the new temple but rather to retain the inscription of Agrippa’s older temple, which had burned down.
KD: We are being told that this “Temple of all the Gods” was completed by the Emperor Hadrian who died in 138 AD. But do they explain what “all the Gods” mean? As a matter of fact they do. Above in the Roman Religion bullet it says:
The Roman had their traditional ceremonies and they worshiped Roman gods as well as gods from other provinces and city states.
Romans worshiped gods from Babylon, Persia, Europe and Egypt. Those stationed in remote provinces often worshiped local gods.
This meant that Pantheon was for all the Gods. This would include the Christian God as well. Additionally we need to remember that the word “catholic” from Greek “katholikos” means universal. The below definition was provided by the google search.
Raphael
Raphael was an Italian painter and architect of the High Renaissance. His work is admired for its clarity of form, ease of composition, and visual achievement of the Neoplatonic ideal of human grandeur. Together with Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci, he forms the traditional trinity of great masters of that period.
1483 – 1520
Presumed portrait of Raphael
Who here thinks that Raphael was Christian? I do, but I do not really know if he was. The narrative probably says that he was. Why does it matter? Well, where is he buried at? Coincidentally his tomb is in the Pantheon. As a matter of fact, he, allegedly, was the first person to be buried in the Pantheon.
Some critical thinking will suggest that a christian artist would probably object to being buried in the pagan temple. I do not know if he objected or not, but his tomb is definitely in the Pantheon. Under what circumstances would that be possible? Only if we are being lied to, and the Pantheon was indeed for all the Gods, or if Raphael was not Christian.
And why wouldn’t they put his tomb in the Pantheon? Raphael was, with no fear creating the art promoting paganism during the time of the Roman Inquisition?
The gods of Olympus by Raphael
Most importantly Mr. Raphael was not the only one promoting paganism at the time of the Roman Inquisition. A whole bunch of others did as well. Well, when even the Christian Pope himself participated in the promotion of the paganism, we can not really blame these guys, can we?
The Christian Rome
So, when did Vatican and Rome become Christian? Well, the last time Gargoyles and Chimeras were added to the Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral was around 1844. The fact that the cathedral is located in France is irrelevant. It still falls under the rule if the Vatican.
At the same time the correct answer for the above question would probably be – never. It’s only Christian for us, normal slave-type regular folk. For those “in the know” the Vatican has always been pagan, whatever that means.
Who Is The Roman Catholic Church Really Worshiping?
The Pope Hall
The Paul VI Audience Hall is a building in Rome named for Pope Paul VI with a seating capacity of 6,300, designed in reinforced concrete by the Italian architect Pier Luigi Nervi and completed in 1971. It was constructed on land donated by the Knights of Columbus.
That, according to the artist Pericle Fazzini, is Jesus Christ rising up from a nuclear crater following a holocaust. The sculpture was commissioned in 1965 by Count Galeassi and was meant to depict the threat of nuclear war in the 20th Century. The problem for a lot of conspiracy theorists is that the sculpture, like the entire hall, contains no crucifixes or Catholic symbolism.
March 16, 2013 – Vatican City – POPE FRANCIS (C) holds a general audience with members of the media in the Nervi Hall. The newly elected Pope is set to deliver his first Angelus prayers 17 March and be inaugurated with a mass in Saint Peter’s Square 19 March, in which many world leaders are expected to attend. (Credit Image:
Juan Carlos Hidalgo/EFE/ZUMA24.com)
Take it for what it’s worth:
KD Summary: Well, my 2 cents remain the same. We were fooled into thinking that the Ancient Roman period and the Holy Roman Empire were separated by the Dark Ages. In my opinion, these two are one and the same. The Renaissance infatuation with antiquity makes no sense, and was created to hide the fact that there was only one period. TPTB had to make two out of one, but could not conceal all the physical evidence (statues, buildings, art, etc).
This is why we have statues like the three below. The compilation has three well known historical individuals wearing the Ancient Roman togas:
Peter the Great: 1672-1725
Remember, that Peter’s last name was ROMANov.
George Washington: 1732-1799
Napoleon Bonaparte: 1769-1821
The narrative tells us that the Antiquity was simply popular “back then”. “Move along people, for there is nothing special to see here,” said TPTB.
Why did TPTB have to artificially extend our history? At this moment I think because of the reoccurring “catastrophes”. The most recent one happened some time around 1850s. If those happen on a regular basis with an interval of 250-500 years, this world is better off thinking that dinosaurs roamed the Earth millions of years ago, and that Pompeii got wiped out in 79 AD instead of 1631. Nobody needs no panic, I could see that.
I put the word catastrophe inside the quotation marks, because we do not really know what it means. Could human harvesting be a part of this word? I think it could.
I doubt the Global Warming aka Climate Change is being taken seriously by the members of this forum. Yet they indicated the 10-12 year deadline. It sure does make me wonder what upcoming events TPTB could be hiding under the cover of the Climate Change.
At the same time I consider that those Pagan Gods are still out there, and TPTB knows who to warship. All other religions are for us, the enslaved and the insignificant. The sheeple needs to be controlled to remain productive and obedient.
https://www.stolenhistory.org/threads/pope-is-a-liar-5-the-dark-secret-of-the-vatican-pagan-gods.1542/
Thanks to: https://rielpolitik.com
The Smoking Man
Source – stolenhistory.org
– “…So, when did Vatican and Rome become Christian? Well, the last time Gargoyles and Chimeras were added to the Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral was around 1844. The fact that the cathedral is located in France is irrelevant. It still falls under the rule if the Vatican. At the same time the correct answer for the above question would probably be – never. It’s only Christian for us, normal slave-type regular folk. For those “in the know” the Vatican has always been pagan, whatever that means”
The Dark Secret of the Vatican Pagan Gods – By Korben Dallas
I will briefly summarize what’s to follow in this thread which is created in support of my hypothesis that the Ancient Rome is one and the same with the Holy Roman Empire. It appears that Vatican and Rome became visibly Christian only around the middle of the 19th century. The same, most likely, applies for the remainder of European territories. In other words Jesus existed in Europe along the likes of Zeus, Apollo and many other Gods until approximately 1850s. It was normal and it looks like we have multiple facts to back it up. Why our society chooses to ignore these facts is beyond me.
The Scream of Gargoyles
The world famous Notre-Dame de Paris gargoyles, and chimeras were the objects which made me question the Christian nature of the Gothic Cathedrals. While the Notre-Dame de Paris is obviously in France, the same applies to the Italian Gothic Cathedrals as well. As a matter of fact, it probably pertains to all the Gothic Cathedrals out there, for most of them have gargoyles and chimeras present.
The main questions to ask here would be:
Why do we have gargoyles and chimeras mounted on the allegedly Christian structures?
What do these symbols of the ancient pagan religions have to do with Christianity?
How come Vatican gave their consent to have them displayed?
Here is what the narrative tells us about all those gargoyles and chimeras mounted on the Gothic Cathedrals:
The gargoyles’ main purpose is very practical. As rain water runs down the roofs, it needs to drain off without dripping down the walls and potentially damaging them. By evacuating rain water, the gargoyles protect the cathedral and protect the stone from damage caused by excessive runoff. That is in fact the main difference between gargoyles and chimeras. The former serve to drain rainwater, the latter are purely decorative.
KD: I do not know about you, but it sounds like a BS justification for having symbols of other religions present on the allegedly Christian places of warship. Gargoyles and chimeras do not belong to Christianity, look creepy, and do not really project any feelings of love, peace and friendship.
Gothic Cathedrals
Originating in 12th-century France, it (Gothic Architecture) was widely used, especially for cathedrals and churches, until the 16th century. What is the official explanation for naming this style of architecture “Gothic”? Well, here is what we are being told:
The term “Gothic architecture” originated in the 16th century and was originally very negative, suggesting something barbaric. Giorgio Vasari used the term “barbarous German style” in his 1550 Lives of the Artists to describe what is now considered the Gothic style, and in the introduction to the Lives he attributed various architectural features to “the Goths” whom he held responsible for destroying the ancient buildings after they conquered Rome, and erecting new ones in this style.
Let’s see. The Goth Germanic people that invaded the Roman Empire from the east between the 3rd and 5th centuries. once you get through all the gibberish in the Wiki article, it becomes apparent that after 711 AD the Goth presented no historical significance. Yet, the narrative has to cover the inconsistencies produced by the made up history. Hence we have the following line:
In the late 18th century, Gothic tribes who remained in the lands around the Black Sea, especially in Crimea – then known as Crimean Goths – were still mentioned as existing in the region and speaking a Crimean Gothic dialect, making them the last true Goths. The language is believed to have been spoken until as late as 1945. They are believed to have been assimilated by the Crimean Tatars.
Crimean Goths were the least-powerful, least-known, and the longest-lasting of the Gothic communities.
KD: According to the traditional historical narrative, the Goths were border line non existent after 711 AD. All the damages they allegedly inflicted to Rome were done between the 3rd and 5th centuries AD. Yet, we are expected to believe that some 16th century brainiacs were so pissed off at some 1,000 year old events, that they started to call this style of architecture “Gothic”.
Simultaneously, there had to some “least-known” Gothic tribes which survived all the way into the late 18th century, with a Gothic dialect spoken until 1945.
If this explanation (why the style is Gothic) is not fishy, I do not know what is. Sounds like we know nothing about who the Goths really were, and why these style of architecture was called “Gothic”. Even less do we know what any of these cathedrals have to do with Christianity.
Ancient Roman Religion
Religion in Ancient Rome includes the ancestral ethnic religion of the city of Rome that the Romans used to define themselves as a people, as well as the religious practices of peoples brought under Roman rule, in so far as they became widely followed in Rome and Italy. The Romans thought of themselves as highly religious, and attributed their success as a world power to their collective piety in maintaining good relations with the gods. The Romans are known for the great number of deities they honored, a capacity that earned the mockery of early Christian polemicists.
Roman Religion
I do not want to get into too many details on the religions present in Ancient Rome. I think the narrative provided a rather satisfactory story line on this one. The most important thing to understand here is summed up in the following sentences:
The Roman had their traditional ceremonies and they worshiped Roman gods as well as gods from other provinces and city states.
Romans worshiped gods from Babylon, Persia, Europe and Egypt. Those stationed in remote provinces often worshiped local gods.
KD: In other words, there were multiple religions present in the Ancient Rome. The last year attributed to the Ancient Rome in Europe is 476 AD. What are the odds of the same multitude of various faiths to exist in the “Renaissance” driven Holy Roman Empire of 15th – 19th centuries. Well, may be a bit more than we thought.
Roman Inquisition
The Roman Inquisition, was a system of tribunals developed by the Holy See of the Roman Catholic Church, during the second half of the 16th century, responsible for prosecuting individuals accused of a wide array of crimes relating to religious doctrine or alternate religious doctrine or alternate religious beliefs. In the period after the Medieval Inquisition, it was one of three different manifestations of the wider Catholic Inquisition along with the Spanish Inquisition and Portuguese Inquisition.
Like other iterations of the Inquisition, the Roman Inquisition was responsible for prosecuting individuals accused of committing offenses relating to heresy, including Protestantism, sorcery, immorality, blasphemy, Judaizing and witchcraft, as well as for censorship of printed literature. After 1567, with the execution of Pietro Carnesecchi, an allegedly leading heretic, the Holy Office moved to broaden concerns beyond that of theological matters, such as love magic, witchcraft, superstitions, and cultural morality. However, the treatment was more disciplinary than punitive. The tribunals of the Roman Inquisition covered most of the Italian peninsula as well as Malta and also existed in isolated pockets of papal jurisdiction in other parts of Europe, including Avignon, a papal enclave within the territory of France. The Roman Inquisition, though, was considerably more bureaucratic and focused on pre-emptive control in addition to the reactive judicial prosecution experienced under other iterations.
KD: Basically we all think that we know what the purpose of inquisitions was. If you deviate from the accepted church doctrine – you are toast. Even altered versions of Christianity were allegedly prosecuted by the Church. We are talking about monotheistic Christianity here. What do you think was supposed to happen to those who supported polytheistic religions in the 16th century?
Ivan the Terrible and Antonio Possevino
We all know who Ivan the Terrible was. He was born in 1530 and died in 1584. What religion was the only possible religion in Vatican during the years attributed to Ivan the Terrible? You are totally justified in thinking that it was Christianity, but was it really so? To answer this question we will have to get familiarized with a certain Jesuit named Antonio Possevino.
Antonio Possevino (1533 – 1611) was a Jesuit protagonist of Counter Reformation as a papal diplomat and a Jesuit controversialist, encyclopedist and bibliographer. He acted as papal legate and the first Jesuit to visit Moscow, vicar general of Sweden, Denmark and northern islands, Muscovy, Livonia, Rus, Hungary, Pomerania, Saxony between 1578 and 1586.
Antonio Possevino, a Jesuit monk, theologian, scholar, and papal envoy, arrived at Moscow on February 14, 1582. At that time the Russian Tsar Ivan IV sought the pope’s mediation in the cause of peace with Stephen Báthori, the King of Poland. Possevino was sent by the Pope Gregory XIII as his legate. With the permission of Ivan IV he conducted a public dispute about the matters the faith, trying to convert Ivan IV to Roman Catholicism. The Tsar was so infuriated that he almost killed Possevino. He left Moscow laden with honors but not deceived as to the success of his efforts. Possevino wrote several very interesting treatises on Russia, including “Moscovia”, rich of factual material and astute observations, and the less known Missio Moscovitica.
We have this interesting discussion between Ivan the Terrible and Antonio Possevino, which allegedly took place in 1582 AD. The prince is Ivan the Terrible.
To which Antonio Possevino replied with the following:
The above is the translation (p. 69-70) of the below excerpt from Vita Del P. Antonio Possevino Della Compagnia Di Gesu (p. 256). I used image translating services to verify the translation from Italian. I think Ivan the Terrible mentioned sixty faiths in the original. I also understood that translating images is not my piece of pie. So if @Jim Duyer or whoever else is versed in languages, could assist with the translation of the below passage from Italian, we all would be grateful. I would like to know what the reply of Antonio as per the original below.
Source
KD: In 1582, Ivan the Terrible stated that Rome had sixty religions. Antonio Possevino replied that it was not the case. Well, let us see who we should believe.
Papal Tombs
What could be a better way to determine whether polytheistic religions were present in the 15th-18th century Rome other than the remaining physical evidence. And what could be a better reflection of the life paths of the Popes other than their Burial Tombs. Luckily we have this valuable List of Extant Papal Tombs we can examine. The list raises a lot of additional questions but for the purposes of this thread, let us concentrate on the appearance existing Papal Tombs.
Pope Gregory XIII
Somehow we have Minerva aka Athena incorporated into this Gregory XIII’s Tomb. Why would a Christian leader who died in 1585 have this Roman Goddess on his Tomb. We are talking about a pagan Goddess of War on the tombstone of the Pope here. I think the one on the left is Clio the Muse, but I’m not sure.
Pope Leo XI
The guy died in 1605. How come the Pope of Rome has Roman Goddesses Minerva and Fortune. Do they really think that we are not gonna question Fortunes horn of plenty? And why did they break Minerva’s spear? Where is the second half, or was it meant to make the ridiculousness less obvious? What does any of this have to do with the Pope of Rome and Christianity?
You can play this game on your own. All this pagan symbology at the heart of the Roman Catholic Church (aka Vatican) with Roman Inquisition running rampant makes how much sense? Zero?
Pope Julius III: Coat of Arms
Pope Julius III (1487 – 1555), born Giovanni Maria Ciocchi del Monte, was head of the Catholic Church and ruler of the Papal States from 1550 to his death in 1555. Allegedly this perverted depiction of the Christian Pope’s coat of arms was influenced by Michelangelo himself. How did the Roman Inquisition allowed two naked dudes with packages hanging out to hold Saint Peter’s Keys of Heaven?
And what about the below pearl?
The Triton Fountain
The Triton Fountain is a seventeenth-century fountain in Rome, by the Baroque sculptor Gian Lorenzo Bernini. Commissioned by his patron, Pope Urban VIII, the fountain is located in the Piazza Barberini, near the entrance to the Palazzo Barberini that Bernini helped to design and construct for the Barberini, Urban’s family.
The fountain was executed in travertine in 1642–43. At its centre rises a larger than lifesize muscular Triton, a minor sea god of ancient Greco-Roman legend, depicted as a merman kneeling on the sum of four dolphin tailfins. His head is thrown back and his arms raise a conch to his lips; from it a jet of water spurts, formerly rising dramatically higher than it does today. The fountain has a base of four dolphins that entwine the papal tiara with crossed keys and the heraldic Barberini bees in their scaly tails.
Triton is a Greek god, the messenger of the sea. He is the son of Poseidon and Amphitrite, god and goddess of the sea respectively, and is herald for his father. He is usually represented as a merman which has the upper body of a human and the tail, soft dorsal fin, spiny dorsal fin, anal fin, pelvic fins and caudal fin of a fish, “sea-hued”, according to Ovid “his shoulders barnacled with sea-shells”.
KD: So, what do we have happening here? On one hand inquisition was allegedly fighting heresy, on the other hand Vatican was promoting the religion of the Ancient Romans and Greeks? The same religion which supposedly died off over a thousand years ago?
Renaissance Art
Renaissance art is the painting, sculpture and decorative arts of the period of European history, emerging as a distinct style in Italy in about 1400, in parallel with developments which occurred in philosophy, literature, music, and science. Renaissance art, perceived as the noblest of ancient traditions, took as its foundation the art of Classical antiquity, but transformed that tradition by absorbing recent developments in the art of Northern Europe and by applying contemporary scientific knowledge. Renaissance art, with Renaissance Humanist philosophy, spread throughout Europe, affecting both artists and their patrons with the development of new techniques and new artistic sensibilities. Renaissance art marks the transition of Europe from the medieval period to the Early Modern age.
The images on the pertaining Wikipedia page are so supportive of the narrative. What about the other type of images?
Hercules and the Centaur Nessus (1599)
Perseus With the Head of Medusa (1545-1554)
Cosimo I de’ Medici
Right, what can be better than depicting one of the most powerful Christian men of the time with the winged head of Medusa on his chest, and wearing Ancient Roman attire 1,000 years after its fall? I guess the Roman Inquisition did not mind little acts of heresy like this.
Etruria
What else do we call Tuscany? Right, we call it Etruria. And never mind that Etruria was non-existent since about 509 BC, for:
The Grand Duchy of Tuscany (which existed 1569–1801 and 1814–1859) styled itself in Latin as Magnus Ducatus Etruriae (Grand Duchy of Etruria). The name Etruria was also applied to the Kingdom of Etruria, an ephemeral client state of Napoleon I of France which replaced the Grand Duchy between 1801 and 1807.
Isn’t it amazing that 2,000 years after the fall of Etruria they simply brought back the name? Let’s call ourselves Etruscans from now on they said. Well, may be they did not say that, but the narrative compilers sure did.
One way, or the other, but those Medici were serious about their Etruria.
Heck, the Etruscan Language somehow made it onto the Europa Polyglotta map of 1730. Of course, we are told that some of those languages are ancient.
This is the Europa Polyglotta, published in 1730 by Gottfried Hensel (or Henselius, after the contemporary fasion of latinising surnames). Its full title, translated from Latin: ‘Multilingual Europe, showing the genealogy of the languages, together with the alphabets and modes of writing of all peoples’.
Mapping Europe’s Linguistic Diversity via the Lord’s Prayer
The Pantheon
They tell us: The Pantheon (from Greek Πάνθειον Pantheion, “[temple] of all the gods”) is a former Roman temple, now a church, in Rome, Italy, on the site of an earlier temple commissioned by Marcus Agrippa during the reign of Augustus (27 BC – 14 AD). It was completed by the emperor Hadrian and probably dedicated about 126 AD. Its date of construction is uncertain, because Hadrian chose not to inscribe the new temple but rather to retain the inscription of Agrippa’s older temple, which had burned down.
KD: We are being told that this “Temple of all the Gods” was completed by the Emperor Hadrian who died in 138 AD. But do they explain what “all the Gods” mean? As a matter of fact they do. Above in the Roman Religion bullet it says:
The Roman had their traditional ceremonies and they worshiped Roman gods as well as gods from other provinces and city states.
Romans worshiped gods from Babylon, Persia, Europe and Egypt. Those stationed in remote provinces often worshiped local gods.
This meant that Pantheon was for all the Gods. This would include the Christian God as well. Additionally we need to remember that the word “catholic” from Greek “katholikos” means universal. The below definition was provided by the google search.
Raphael
Raphael was an Italian painter and architect of the High Renaissance. His work is admired for its clarity of form, ease of composition, and visual achievement of the Neoplatonic ideal of human grandeur. Together with Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci, he forms the traditional trinity of great masters of that period.
1483 – 1520
Presumed portrait of Raphael
Who here thinks that Raphael was Christian? I do, but I do not really know if he was. The narrative probably says that he was. Why does it matter? Well, where is he buried at? Coincidentally his tomb is in the Pantheon. As a matter of fact, he, allegedly, was the first person to be buried in the Pantheon.
Some critical thinking will suggest that a christian artist would probably object to being buried in the pagan temple. I do not know if he objected or not, but his tomb is definitely in the Pantheon. Under what circumstances would that be possible? Only if we are being lied to, and the Pantheon was indeed for all the Gods, or if Raphael was not Christian.
And why wouldn’t they put his tomb in the Pantheon? Raphael was, with no fear creating the art promoting paganism during the time of the Roman Inquisition?
The gods of Olympus by Raphael
Most importantly Mr. Raphael was not the only one promoting paganism at the time of the Roman Inquisition. A whole bunch of others did as well. Well, when even the Christian Pope himself participated in the promotion of the paganism, we can not really blame these guys, can we?
The Christian Rome
So, when did Vatican and Rome become Christian? Well, the last time Gargoyles and Chimeras were added to the Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral was around 1844. The fact that the cathedral is located in France is irrelevant. It still falls under the rule if the Vatican.
At the same time the correct answer for the above question would probably be – never. It’s only Christian for us, normal slave-type regular folk. For those “in the know” the Vatican has always been pagan, whatever that means.
Who Is The Roman Catholic Church Really Worshiping?
The Pope Hall
The Paul VI Audience Hall is a building in Rome named for Pope Paul VI with a seating capacity of 6,300, designed in reinforced concrete by the Italian architect Pier Luigi Nervi and completed in 1971. It was constructed on land donated by the Knights of Columbus.
That, according to the artist Pericle Fazzini, is Jesus Christ rising up from a nuclear crater following a holocaust. The sculpture was commissioned in 1965 by Count Galeassi and was meant to depict the threat of nuclear war in the 20th Century. The problem for a lot of conspiracy theorists is that the sculpture, like the entire hall, contains no crucifixes or Catholic symbolism.
March 16, 2013 – Vatican City – POPE FRANCIS (C) holds a general audience with members of the media in the Nervi Hall. The newly elected Pope is set to deliver his first Angelus prayers 17 March and be inaugurated with a mass in Saint Peter’s Square 19 March, in which many world leaders are expected to attend. (Credit Image:
Juan Carlos Hidalgo/EFE/ZUMA24.com)Take it for what it’s worth:
KD Summary: Well, my 2 cents remain the same. We were fooled into thinking that the Ancient Roman period and the Holy Roman Empire were separated by the Dark Ages. In my opinion, these two are one and the same. The Renaissance infatuation with antiquity makes no sense, and was created to hide the fact that there was only one period. TPTB had to make two out of one, but could not conceal all the physical evidence (statues, buildings, art, etc).
This is why we have statues like the three below. The compilation has three well known historical individuals wearing the Ancient Roman togas:
Peter the Great: 1672-1725
Remember, that Peter’s last name was ROMANov.
George Washington: 1732-1799
Napoleon Bonaparte: 1769-1821
The narrative tells us that the Antiquity was simply popular “back then”. “Move along people, for there is nothing special to see here,” said TPTB.
Why did TPTB have to artificially extend our history? At this moment I think because of the reoccurring “catastrophes”. The most recent one happened some time around 1850s. If those happen on a regular basis with an interval of 250-500 years, this world is better off thinking that dinosaurs roamed the Earth millions of years ago, and that Pompeii got wiped out in 79 AD instead of 1631. Nobody needs no panic, I could see that.
I put the word catastrophe inside the quotation marks, because we do not really know what it means. Could human harvesting be a part of this word? I think it could.
I doubt the Global Warming aka Climate Change is being taken seriously by the members of this forum. Yet they indicated the 10-12 year deadline. It sure does make me wonder what upcoming events TPTB could be hiding under the cover of the Climate Change.
At the same time I consider that those Pagan Gods are still out there, and TPTB knows who to warship. All other religions are for us, the enslaved and the insignificant. The sheeple needs to be controlled to remain productive and obedient.
https://www.stolenhistory.org/threads/pope-is-a-liar-5-the-dark-secret-of-the-vatican-pagan-gods.1542/
Thanks to: https://rielpolitik.com
