Bill Ryan of Project Avalon - Debate Challenge! A Quartz Crystal Minion "Sourcetruth" Cult Failure!

Sourcetruth wrote:

This thread will be about discussing Bill Ryan and his forum, Project Avalon.

That being said, I wanted to debate Bill Ryan.

PurpleSkyz

May I ask you to detail points of this debate? Also if he is actually interested in this would you be prepared to do it live on a YT channel? I think I know a few YouTubers we could ask to host this. I would volunteer to moderate and you Sourcetruth can also have a mod of your choice so it would be fair.

Bill if you are watching this please refer to this thread to bring you up to speed:
http://www.oom2.com/t43156p210-scammer-alert-judy-aka-quartz-crystal-the-source-player-is-playing-you-for-donations-plus-a-cult-member-conversation#143896

Em

I somehow doubt that Bill Ryan or Kerry Cassidy will be interviewing Judy aka Quartz Crystal anytime soon.  She's not contactable anyway. :D  I never delved deeply into Project Camelot or Avalon politics, just watched some videos.  I found Bill very talented as an investigative journalist, even charismatic, very eloquent with a logical, easy to understand approach.    Very little about Judy is logical, RamblerNash posted Bill's verdict about Judy, declared it a scam which he would not entertain on his Forum.  Good Luck SourceTruth trying to start a mudslinging match to get attention.

PurpleSkyz

Yes.... detail the points of this debate. What exactly is it that you want to debate with Bill about?
Example:
* Why did you ban me?
* What about me caused you to not believe my "I am a 17 year old" story?
* What about Judy is it that everyone but me can see she is a shyster?

You know... what is this debate supposed to be about?
As for not being an actual debate and just a back and forth on a thread though... what would be the point? You already know what Bill thinks as he was pretty clear from what I understand.

RamblerNash wrote:

Sourcetruth wrote:

This thread will be about discussing Bill Ryan and his forum, Project Avalon.

That being said, I wanted to debate Bill Ryan.

Pretty vague...

Didn't you want to talk about why you got kicked off his forum?

Wasn't that about all the posts you made on the Quartz Cyrstal thread that wasn't received very well, pushing her agenda, like you did here?

What about Bill's comment concerning all the same copy & paste posts, on the other forums he mentioned, that he considered spamming?

Like PurpleSkyz said...What are your talking points or citations that you would like to discuss that Bill rubbed you the wrong way, or the right way?

Let's keep this about Bill, and not about your obsession with Quartz Crystal please...

PurpleSkyz

I am sure there are many that don't like him or the way he handles his site but why is that a reason for him to come on another site and debate you??? That makes no sense whatsoever!
Yikes! You actually are starting to sound like a 17 year old!!!



If you want to have a dialog with him you better come up with something solid to discuss. Posting snips about others that dislike him ain't gonna cut it. But I think you already know that.

PurpleSkyz

heavy sigh....

Ok how about you make a list of bullet points that you would like to discuss with Bill like I suggested earlier in this thread.
Let's just start there.
BUT... I highly doubt that he would bother to debate you here knowing that he does not feel you are worth his time nor space on his site. Seems you are ace at burning bridges!!

PurpleSkyz

I am gonna go out on a limb and guess he won't want to waste his time here or any other site debating you but at least you made a list of the things you would like to discuss should he decide to give you his time.

Sourcetruth wrote:

PurpleSkyz

May I ask you to detail points of this debate? Also if he is actually interested in this would you be prepared to do it live on a YT channel? I think I know a few YouTubers we could ask to host this. I would volunteer to moderate and you Sourcetruth can also have a mod of your choice so it would be fair.

Bill if you are watching this please refer to this thread to bring you up to speed:
http://www.oom2.com/t43156p210-scammer-alert-judy-aka-quartz-crystal-the-source-player-is-playing-you-for-donations-plus-a-cult-member-conversation#143896

Detail points, you mean to explain what the debate topic will be? Or explain the structure of the debate?
I was thinking to do it over something like text where we would type our responses, kind of like a threaad or something, but I might be able to do the live youtube debate. I am unsure though, because I can't be too loud, and its easy to have my family hear me, which I don't want.

Sourcetruth wrote:

Em

I somehow doubt that Bill Ryan or Kerry Cassidy will be interviewing Judy aka Quartz Crystal anytime soon.  She's not contactable anyway. :D  I never delved deeply into Project Camelot or Avalon politics, just watched some videos.  I found Bill very talented as an investigative journalist, even charismatic, very eloquent with a logical, easy to understand approach.    Very little about Judy is logical, RamblerNash posted Bill's verdict about Judy, declared it a scam which he would not entertain on his Forum.  Good Luck SourceTruth trying to start a mudslinging match to get attention.

Everyone has good and bad characteristics to them, including Bill Ryan Sourcetruth.

Sourcetruth wrote:Let's look at this one thread about Bill Ryan.
http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/thread/4/bill-ryan

This is a quote:

When I received what I considered valid enough confirmation of the above...I had a really hard time understanding how stupid he was and/or how stupid he thought forum members were to believe that somehow hiding the fact on his forum he was married somehow protected Christine. It was devestating, as I was emotionally to the character I believed to be highly intelligent and of sterling integrity. This was my first inkling that there was a completely contradictory side of Bill Ryan, the complete antithesis of who I thought he was. This thread is to share experiences with BR that expose he is significantly different from who he publicly portrays himself to be. I feel this is a valid topic for discussion, an extremely important one...due to his position in the "alternative" community, and how many never seem to question his "sterling integrity", or even bother to try to vet him. I do not feel he lives to the standard he should be held to, this is my attempt to hold him accountable. I feel anyone who finds them in the position he is in need to be.

Don't take it from me, take it from him. 

He says a lot about Bill Ryan and Project Avalon in this thread. We can get to all of that later.

You want to hear someone else's opinion?
Just look at this thread (on a different website): http://earthempaths.net/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=730

Exit-0

1. I've had a bad feeling on the Avalon Forum regarding the treatment I have personally received, and the treatment other individuals have received for quite some time, several of them both friends and supporters.

2. At least 18 months ago, I began checking around with other individuals and discovered there's a long list of former members who have received similar treatment on that website. I even sent Mr. Ryan a Private Message regarding my concerns about a suspected Scientology "Club" Agenda.

3. So, everything being said in that regard is absolutely correct. If seeking the Truth, and standing firmly on the evidence I’ve discovered makes me an enemy of Avalon, than perhaps it was time for me to leave that website.

4. I strongly feel there were certain individuals (whom I will not name) that did conspire to derail my threads and comments on that site – if not “conspire”, did regularly work to derail. I've held that mindset for quite some time.


10. Since I first started posting on the internet, so many years ago, and well before Avalon, my only agenda was to present my World View to interested individuals, void of condemnation, or controversy.

11. I'm deeply hurt that my name is now being publicly vilified at the Avalon Website, and I'm concerned what that vilification will do to my many years of hard work.

It is clear that there are others out there who feel similarly about Bill Ryan and Project Avalon.

Sourcetruth wrote:

PurpleSkyz

Yes.... detail the points of this debate. What exactly is it that you want to debate with Bill about?
Example:
* Why did you ban me?
* What about me caused you to not believe my "I am a 17 year old" story?
* What about Judy is it that everyone but me can see she is a shyster?

You know... what is this debate supposed to be about?
As for not being an actual debate and just a back and forth on a thread though... what would be the point? You already know what Bill thinks as he was pretty clear from what I understand.

There could be a way to make it an official debate on a thread. 
But yes, I want to debate certain points.
Such as some of what he has said. 
For example:

Bill Ryan

[Mod 3] said they felt it should be moved into "Hoaxes and other Bad Information". I nearly did that a week ago, but held off. It's not a hoax, but it's very bad information. Saying that only 1 in 5000 humans have a soul is even worse than the Flat Earth.

This is part of what he told me.
I want to debate why he thinks that this is bad information and "worse than the Flat Earth".

Bill's right. It's not a hoax, but is bad information.

I also want to debate the points you mentioned, such as why he banned me, why he doesn't think I am 17, and some other points. 

It looks like Bill, and the mods, gave you a wide latitude. Then provided you with the reason you seem to not comprehend.

And I want to debate why he said this in response to me:

Bill Ryan

 Posted by sourcetruth (here)
I gave up meat and animal products, and orgasms a year ago.

• https://darwinawards.com.
  
  

It was said here too. LOL

-----> Don't you get it <-----

I will debate him about meat eating and orgasms, because he doesn't agree with me on them.

Why pick on Bill when others don't agree with you either?

Sourcetruth wrote:

RamblerNash wrote:

Sourcetruth wrote:

This thread will be about discussing Bill Ryan and his forum, Project Avalon.

That being said, I wanted to debate Bill Ryan.

Pretty vague...

Didn't you want to talk about why you got kicked off his forum?

Wasn't that about all the posts you made on the Quartz Cyrstal thread that wasn't received very well, pushing her agenda, like you did here?

What about Bill's comment concerning all the same copy & paste posts, on the other forums he mentioned, that he considered spamming?

Like PurpleSkyz said...What are your talking points or citations that you would like to discuss that Bill rubbed you the wrong way, or the right way?

Let's keep this about Bill, and not about your obsession with Quartz Crystal please...

Yes, I want to talk about why I was kicked off his forum.

He already told you.

My posts on the thread were not about Quartz Crystal, they were about the concepts that she presented.

Uhm...That's about Quartz Crystal...

The only copy and paste post would be the Opening Post that starts the thread, the responses after that are not copy and paste. 
It is not spamming because I am replying to the people who posted to my thread, so it is legitimate.

Just because you reply to every frick'n post, doesn't make it legitimate. Most consider it spamming, and they ALL have told you why, and not just in Bill's forum.

Sourcetruth wrote:

PurpleSkyz

heavy sigh....

Ok how about you make a list of bullet points that you would like to discuss with Bill like I suggested earlier in this thread.
Let's just start there.
BUT... I highly doubt that he would bother to debate you here knowing that he does not feel you are worth his time nor space on his site. Seems you are ace at burning bridges!!

He doesn't have to debate me here, he can do it on any website he wants to do it on.

Who says he even wants to debate you?

Here are some bullet points:
-The concept of soulless ones/non playable characters (NPCs)

If that only comes from QC, and not Bill, why would he even discuss it?

-Eating meat and orgasms

Those are personal choices. While they can be argued, what would be the point to have just Bill do it?

-The matrix stimulation model of reality

Sounds like another QC thing. Does Bill have a matrix model you can cite from?

-Why he banned me

You have already been told. Over, and over.

-Why his forum made all of those false accusations against me

Did they?

-Why everyone on his forum is so against what Quartz Crystal presents

They explained it. Did you not care to listen?

Sourcetruth wrote:

PurpleSkyz

I am gonna go out on a limb and guess he won't want to waste his time here or any other site debating you but at least you made a list of the things you would like to discuss should he decide to give you his time.

I am not going to limit this to him, but also challenge to a debate any other Project Avalon members who were on my thread.

PurpleSkyz

I have an idea for you Sourcetruth. Why don't you create a new email address and then become a member of PA under a different name then send a message to Bill and ask him to debate you on his forum? Unless he blocked all of the IP's you have that might work for you.
He is not gonna come here and waste his time is my guess and I am tiring of your silliness to be honest.